Our Church is currently being attacked by the devil through a move to destroy God-given gender roles. God, in His great wisdom, established specific gender roles at the fall of Adam and Eve to help create a little peace in a world quickly slipping into chaos. As humans we are all equal, but as man and woman, we have specific gender roles. The Bible is clear about these roles. Let’s continue to pray for our Church leaders who are standing for Biblical truth.
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David IJB
September 25, 2012
The Bible is very clear, no question about it. If one of our sons, daughters, wives or co-workers leaves the faith we are to “have no pity” on them. We are to personally “put them to death,” throwing the first “stone” on their heads. If a community should leave the faith, we must destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock,” every man, pregnant woman, or infant. Then we are to “pile” all their possessions in the “open squire and burn it” as well as their homes and business making the “entire town as a burnt offering to God.” (Read Deut 13).
Very clearly, God commanded us to slaughter without compassion, all which leave the faith in the God of Israel. Of course no one honors these laws, even if commended by God, because they were driven by culture 4,000 years ago that sanctioned such atrocities in God’s name. Because Biblically women are presented as unequal to men has historically been the cause of untold physical abuse.
This reflects ancient world beliefs, not God’s Eden ideal of equality. Let’s give women equality in ministry that they deserve and not hold to old world beliefs that subjected women to dominate men.
Brett Denman
September 28, 2012
@David… your a liberal progessive. Your kind is ruining our church. I pray that you get back on the straight and narrow and stop with your devilish ways.
David IJB
September 28, 2012
@Brett Denman–Why do you call me names instead of dialoging with me with Scripture, EGW or reason?
I am only trying to say that culture has influenced Scripture. For instance, Ezekiel was to publicly lie on one side for Israel’s sins 390 days and for Judah 40 days, and cook his food over “human dung.” This was effective in their culture but ineffective today.
Hebrew culture in the time of Moses saw no wrong in beating a “male or female salve with a rod” and if the slave “gets up after a day or two” the master has done no wrong, “since the slave is his property” (Ex 21). The man or woman could show visible bruising, but this was permissible for the purpose of punishment. Today we find this law criminal, where 3,000 years ago it was sensible, because slavery was ownership of a person. This Biblical reasoning was used by Southern Christian churches to justify slavery resulting in the Civil War.
So likewise, the Biblical role of women in ministry has some cultural biases, and it is up to a Christian to stand on the Eden Model of equality rather than the fallen role of subservience and centuries of cultural biases for male power.
Brett Denman
October 12, 2012
@David..only God can take us back to Eden. Not liberal progressive Adventists who are trying to push a narrative that goes against the clear teaching of the Bible.
David IJB
October 20, 2012
Brett@ There are many “clear teachings of the Bible” that we do not follow, but condemn as inhuman and immoral. Such as when a slave owner frees a male slave he cannot take his wife or children with him, thus dividing families (Ex 21). When George Washington was selling some of his slaves he witnessed the horrid scene of breaking up families that later led to his inward opposition to slavery and in his will freeing all his slaves
Ely Marcelo
October 21, 2012
The issue here is “ordination” – – – not slavery. The Bible is clear on the matter; when it was time for Jesus to ordain His disciples, He ordained the men only although there were women equally qualified in the ministry. That was His plan and that’s how He did it when He was here
on earth with us.
In the examples He left us to follow some two thousand years ago, we {mankind} changed the
Seventh-day Sabbath He sanctified and blessed to Sunday. Now, we go to church on the first day of the week. He was baptized by immersion, we changed that to springkling etc. and now, we insist to ordain women. We have changed a lot of his ways He wants us to follow. When we get to heaven, what are we going to change there? You know who is behind all these changes? — – – – I will leave that up to you folks.
Marie
October 23, 2012
Uh, I thought it was Ellen G. White, a woman, who was one of the central founders of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, whose writings are still widely accepted today.
legacypac
January 6, 2013
The whole male headship arguement falls apart when you view pastors as servents of God, not the head of the church or its members. We should be lead by God and the Holy Spirit, not by men (or women). My daughters can be President of my family business, Premiere of my Province, Prime Minister of my country, or pursue any profession they wish except for serving their church as an ordained minister, conferance president, union president, GC president etc. That is wrong and discrimination. The church should be leading the world in declaring the value of all people regardless of gender or race, yet we had to institute “regional conferances” in the middle of the last century which continue today because US Adventists could not get past color as opposed to ability or regnizing God’s calling. EG White never held an SDA ordanation, but then her ministry started before there was an SDA church and before there were any SDA ordained ministers of either gender. Anyone what to argue EG White was not ordained by God to a special ministry?
Ken Lytle
January 6, 2013
I wish I could agree, but I have to go with what the Bible says over what people say. The Bible clearly teaches that men are the spiritual leaders in the home. It also says that church leaders must first prove themselves in the home before they are given leadership roles in churches. The Bible is my guide and light.